As the host of the MeatEater podcast and Netflix series of the same name, Steven Rinella spends a lot of time talking about hunting, fishing, and cooking. He is a proud voice in what’s often called the hook-and-bullet crowd. He’s also a staunch conservationist, a contributing editor of Outside magazine, and the author of American Buffalo, which explores the role of the buffalo hunt throughout North American history. This makes him uniquely qualified to bridge the divide between hunters and outdoor recreationists. In a column for the magazine, Rinella argued that it’s never been more important for these two groups to forge an alliance. Outside editor Christopher Keyes chased him down to talk about the need to find common ground in order to protect our most cherished public lands.